Chappell Roan made it clear she has no regrets during a recent appearance on TS Madison’s “Outlaws” podcast alongside Sasha Colby. The episode, which aired Monday, May 19, featured the pop star discussing her embrace of a “villain” era after addressing toxic fan behavior last year. Roan also criticized a specific pop-culture update account during the conversation.
Reflecting on her public image, the Missouri native remarked she has experienced “like three” villain eras since her rise to fame in 2024 with the Billboard Hot 100 hit “Good Luck, Babe!” On the podcast, Roan said, “I was the new girl in the pop game, where I was like, ‘I don’t give a f–k what you say to these girls who have been doing this since they were 10. I did not get famous until I was 26, so I had a lot of time to realize, ‘Oh, this is what it’s like to be an adult and how to be respected in a job."”
Roan further expressed her dissatisfaction with how she has been treated in the industry compared to her previous job. “I’ve been treated better at my doughnut shop job than I have on a f–king [red] carpet,” she said. “People on the news treat me worse than how customers did. And I think when I started to say, ‘Don’t talk to me like that’ … That doesn’t mean that I’m a villain or ungrateful for what I have. It’s like, ‘Why is this customary?’”
She compared her experiences with those of Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, and Paris Hilton, noting the continued harsh treatment of celebrities. “That behavior is still, they’re still doing it. … Do you want me to just get to the point where I become agoraphobic? Or so stressed out or so anxious to perform?” Roan asked. “You want me to get to that point? Because if I don’t say anything, I will. If I do not stand up for myself, I will quit because I cannot bear this. I cannot bear people touching me who I don’t know. I cannot bear people following me.”
Roan added, “I cannot bear people saying I’m something I’m not. That’s what’s really hard online. People just assume you’re the villain.”
The interview follows Roan’s initial public statements about “predatory” fan behavior, which she addressed about nine months ago. Her comments sparked a broader conversation about stan culture and the challenges celebrities face. While some supported Roan, others labeled her ungrateful.
Despite the controversy, Roan has noted improvements in how she’s treated in public since speaking out. “I think people are scared of me,” Roan said on the “Call Her Daddy” podcast in March. “I think I made a big enough deal about not talking to me that people do not talk to me. I’ve been with people, like, friends who are artists, and when they’re with me, they’re like, ‘It’s a force field around us. People don’t come up to me if I’m with you.’”
Now that she feels she has moved past toxic fan interactions, Roan expressed other grievances during a segment of “Ban It, B–h!” on “Outlaws.” The Grammy winner listed hot takes, cork shoes, and the popular pop culture account “Pop Crave” on X as things she would like to see “banned.”